No Whine Left Behind
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S3 E17 Pay Yourself First: Linda’s Guide to Bookkeeping & Building a Balanced Business
Cheers to bookkeeping (yes, really)! In this episode, we chat with Linda, who turned the traditional CPA world on its head by building a fun, relatable bookkeeping brand. We dive into her journey of breaking out during the post-COVID entrepreneurial wave and drop some serious gems for business owners—like why paying yourself isn’t just a luxury but a must.
What’s on the agenda?
- The highs and lows of bookkeeping (spoiler: it’s not all spreadsheets and snooze-fests).
- Linda’s pandemic pivot to boss babe bookkeeping.
- Why women entrepreneurs need to stop skipping their paycheck.
- Keeping your biz legit: separating business and personal finances.
- The power trio every entrepreneur needs: CPA, financial advisor, and…?
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Welcome to the no Wine Left Behind podcast, where we truly leave no wine behind. I'm Alex.
Speaker 2:And I'm Celia. We are here in the studio together, sharing ups and downs, frustrations and funny moments of our daily adventures.
Speaker 1:So grab your favorite glass, join us as we raise our voices Together, we'll dive into the drama of life as we see it Welcome. Everyone Joining us today is our bookkeeping bestie, ms Linda. Welcome to no Wine Left Behind, thank you. Yeah, we are so excited to have you have so many questions. Never thought I'd have so many questions about bookkeeping, but you make it seem so much fun.
Speaker 3:Well, I try, we try.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how did you get into the world of bookkeeping? Where did it all begin?
Speaker 3:I mean honestly like who chooses bookkeeping. They're like oh fun, career choice bookkeeping, chooses bookkeeping. They're like oh fun career choice bookkeeping. But I think my personality lends to it. I'm super organized, I'm a type A, I like things in particular order right, and to me that made sense. It was like a thing I could control.
Speaker 3:So I felt like you know, as girls sometimes we like to control things and so I kind of fell into it that way. I worked for a CPA firm for a really long time and that's kind of where I really built the education, all the knowledge base right for those years. But you know, I mean working for a CPA firm.
Speaker 1:snooze, yeah, you seem to be thriving right, working for a CPA firm. Snooze, yeah, you seem to be thriving.
Speaker 3:No, that was like. That was the point where I was like okay, I'm going to do this for 20 more years, or I got to do something else. I just can't do this, I think if I'm going to you know work for that many more years. I just it felt like I got to get out of this, this is not making me happy at all anymore, you know.
Speaker 1:And what was that turning point for you? Did this all happen during COVID, like everyone else, started to find their true passion and dreams, or was it clear post? What's your story?
Speaker 3:I mean again, I'm a type a, so I was a planner about it start transpiring in 2020, because I just I did not feel like I was aligned with the people I was around sure and. I'm like this is it becomes really glaringly obvious when it comes to major like things happening in the world, and you're, I don't agree with anything that's going on over here. Right Like, I just like want to live this very different life, trapped here, like with a circle of people I don't relate to you know, so, yes, it started in 2020.
Speaker 3:I took the leap January 2021. But you know, I mean, even then I didn't think, oh, I'm going to be a bookkeeping bestie, I'm not going to. You know, like I wasn't thinking, how can I make this fun? I was just thinking I got to do something else. I don't want to be with these people, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, kudos to you for being so brave.
Speaker 3:No, thank you. It was hard and I had good people. You know you need the people.
Speaker 2:So I'm feeling like a trend here. The last couple of people that we interviewed have started their own business, and it's much like how you started yours. They either were in a place that they weren't comfortable or they found their niche and they're like, okay, let's make this happen, let's grow, let's expand, and it's like the stories are all like similar. I love it. It's great, cause you all figured out like this is what I should be doing, how do I do that. I'm doing it and you're all get your own little thing going on.
Speaker 3:It's cool and I feel like COVID definitely pushed people that way because it was like well, places might have been closed or maybe you were unemployed because of COVID, you know, laid off or whatever. It kind of forced you to think well, I got nothing else going on, I could try this. What's the worst that could happen? You know, so I feel like that was nice and that lended to the bookkeeping industry growing and ballooning and it was a huge point.
Speaker 3:Yeah, all the small businesses that started. There was a lot of you know forethought with it For me. I knew a lot of people that were starting businesses. I had a lot of good contacts. I've been networking quite a bit.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 3:I felt like you know what I think. This is the time because there's going to be a lot of new businesses that need help.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so incredible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, something that we talk about, but you don't think about it full circle and all encompassing so great timing for everyone. So what can you tell us about the people that you support, either like, is there like a trending industry, or I mean the more that I think about this, and like post COVID and all the people trying to be self-sufficient? Are you finding like more males, more females? Are they older, are they younger? Like? I just want to get down to the nitty gritty of all the details of what you're seeing from your perspective.
Speaker 3:So I think initially and anybody out there that started a business, you're just like whoever I can get, whatever client I can get, I got to survive, I got to earn a living right. You kind of start that way even though you tell yourself you're not going to do that. No, I'm going to be so strategic, I'm only going to be in my little niche here. But, like you know, survival mode takes over and I'm like a recovering people pleaser.
Speaker 3:And so literally, if somebody were to come to me, even as an industry, I was like I don't really want to work. But you're like they're really so nice and I want to help them, right. So it took me a little while to kind of come to the realization of who I really loved to work with.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:Um, and I think it kind of sort of makes it really obvious when you go to my website. I think it's really um, geared towards the female entrepreneur. It doesn't say that. That's the point, right. But it's pretty, it's designed aesthetically, there are certain wordage that's in there that resonates with other female entrepreneurs, so I found that to be the type of businesses I love working with, and then they don't always have to be female entrepreneurs, but if they have some sort of a creative in them, so it would be.
Speaker 3:You know your marketing, your agencies, your social media people you know all those kinds of creatives. I know I'm a bookkeeper. There's this like one side of me that's type A, the other side of me that's very like creative, which is I. I think why the bookkeeping bestie, the social media, all that kind of fun stuff is part of why I like the job that I do now.
Speaker 1:So cool. I love it. I don't want to give away any free content now. However, you have to let us know what are some common mistakes. What are you warning people about? What are you pulling your hair out for? What can you share in terms of that part of your journey?
Speaker 3:Yeah so. I think one of the things we always do and I'm happy to even do this on social media. I'm happy to.
Speaker 3:I feel like consistently, when I take on a client or when somebody comes to me asking questions, is they very rarely pay themselves properly in a manner that they're actually taking a salary and it doesn't have to be wages, they don't have to be an employee right, that's only certain types of entities but that you're literally taking money out of your business every single month and paying yourself. Because why are you doing this? If you're I mean, I know we all have passion, projects and literally I like my job but pay the bills would I really be doing this much? You know, um, and so we help them figure out. How do you safely pay yourself? How do I have a threshold for taxes and a threshold for my pay and cover my operating expenses, like those kind of conversations, because they'll willy-nilly take money or, the worst ever, spend personally in your business.
Speaker 3:Such a faux pas, and it's not because I'm a bookkeeper, it's because you're legally putting yourself in risk. It's so bad for you, you know, I mean, and that's one of the first things we nip in the bud and we've actually let clients go. They can't seem to rein that in. Because in the end they've actually let clients go. They can't seem to rein that in the end they don't want the direction.
Speaker 3:And they're really like. It's about creating an atmosphere that the IRS cannot go after. Right, if you treat your business like it's your personal checking account, then the IRS will too, you know they'll come after you personally, not just your business, if you don't pay your taxes, if you don't do this, that or the other, or legally. If you ever got sued people would come after you personally. You definitely don't want that, so separating business and personal is huge.
Speaker 2:It's just easier for you, I agree with that yeah. It just makes sense, and just makes sense, and people who don't do that is, it's wild, yeah, yeah why would you want to put yourself at risk like that?
Speaker 3:you know a lot of people start businesses thinking, oh, this is just a little side hustle, oh, this is just like an extra little bit of money.
Speaker 1:So I don't always think.
Speaker 3:They think it's going to turn into what it does right. And so then, when it does and they have hired a bookkeeper, it's like they just need a little direction. I don't necessarily think they understand why it's so important not to you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh boy, yeah, Just thinking about that makes me nervous. Yeah, a lot. No, thank you A lot yeah.
Speaker 2:Seriously, and so there's a lot of things obviously you need to know legally right. Are there legal things that you need to know to get people kind of on the right track?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, I think there's tips and there's things that we can do. I always direct people to the correct source, right?
Speaker 1:So like if.
Speaker 3:I'm saying you you know, it kind of seems like right now would be an optimal time for you to convert your LLC to an S corp. But talk to your CPA, because they're going to know your full financial picture. We do business bookkeeping, so I don't know what their personal taxes look like. They could be married, they could have 10 children right.
Speaker 3:Like so it really matters the full picture and a CPA is the best person to advise them on that Just like the legal ramifications of, you know, piercing the corporate veil is what they call it when you personally use your business as your you know. Basically personal banking.
Speaker 3:I mean, if they really want to, you know, talk to a lawyer and get in the nitty gritty of it, you know. I mean they certainly can. But these are just the things that, as over the years 20, some odd years in this industry that they're little tips and tricks that we know and I feel like they're valued when they're shared, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's great that you share them and you don't really call it gatekeep. You know how, you know how is? How are people supposed to learn and know? And if you're keeping everything there and there are a lot of people who are like they know something, they have something valuable and they don't want to share it, you know you could be helping. You know someone else or, in some form or fashion, you know.
Speaker 3:I feel like we're going to find like well, you know, we're all on social media, so the thing about social media now is you know, it used to be very different. It was like you know, oh, you want something, click this. People aren't going to keep doing that. They don't want to do that.
Speaker 1:They don't want to be spammed in their email. They don't want to be harassed.
Speaker 3:So if you're not bringing them any insight or something to help them, then why are they? Following you. They're not a number to us. They're a potential client that over time, once they are prepared for a bookkeeper, they'll appreciate that we wanted to support them, whether we got paid or not, that's great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that. That's really cool.
Speaker 1:So then, linda, you had also mentioned CPAs. So, for those that are starting out their new business and they're unsure of you, know who they need in their corner to support them. Besides yourself, in a CPA which I now know, what other professionals should entrepreneurs be seeking out, or at least aware of, until they're ready to seek out that support?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so the three like sort of branches of the financial tree, as they say. Right the bookkeeper? Right, we're transactional, we're entering your data, we're reconciling your numbers, we're making sure there's no fraudulent charges in your accounts. We're sort of giving you your monthly financials how are you doing right now, income and expense wise and then your CPA is taking all of that information, analyzing it and giving you tax consequences, right? And letting you know what you should be paying in estimates. So there's your two parts.
Speaker 3:The last part of that really long term is a financial advisor, and I say that because at any point as you grow your business you want to think about strategically your tax advantages, and having retirement is a tax advantage and setting up retirement in your business can be a great financial advantage for you.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:It's a write off, you know, and um, you can offer it to like. This was the first year we put into place. Where this is the beginning of year four is January one for us, and we finally put in a retirement plan in place because I wanted to be able to see you know I take the next steps in business, right?
Speaker 2:How can I?
Speaker 3:like show my employees. I appreciate them offer them something back and help myself right in the end you know. So I would say those are the three on the financial you know sphere of what you you know, I would say invest in because there's dividends that get paid back to you.
Speaker 1:Wow, nice Look at you getting all bookkeeping on us. I love it, it's all the stuff I normally see on black on white on my desk and I'm just like, okay, I'll read that later on my desk. And I'm just like, okay, I'll read that later.
Speaker 3:Yes, no, I mean, the thing is, is a lot of this stuff is like okay, it's really important. How do you make it fun? This is boring and honestly, it's one of those things where a lot of people dread it right.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:Like a lot of people, especially in the group that I love working with the creatives right, they're very much like don't want to deal with the numbers. They feel overwhelmed by that. They, you know all those kinds of things sort of trip them up a bit and um. So they're the ones that appreciate it the most too, and they appreciate the fun side of it too.
Speaker 3:You know, I used to feel well, I mean, I was like, like I said, in a CPA firm. It's very stuffy, right. It was like this particular you, you know, like having like being in my home office, which is where we normally are, and usually my dog's sitting up there on the couch. He's like laying behind me. Now, but back in the day, that would have been like so much.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh like seriously yeah and so going on my own.
Speaker 3:I was like, should I put on a fake background?
Speaker 2:not these days see what's really happening.
Speaker 3:It's not a facade it is literally in my home office, you know, I think the fake background these days is weird and natural.
Speaker 1:I really do.
Speaker 2:So many people work from home now that before it really wasn't a thing. So you know, you had a few people here and there that were working from home, so they had the fake background with their company logo. What have you? Now? You see that and they move just a little bit and it's like this weird, it doesn't make sense these days. These days, it should be your environment, you know?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah, make it pretty like the back, your environments are cute, right. It's like thank you, it's fine, it's totally fine, like I, you know, and everybody loves seeing the dog, so I actually think people at ease when they're coming to me in their discovery call. It's like oh yeah, that's Cyrus, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm not anybody hoity-toity over here. We're just going to help you out, don't worry about it and in your business.
Speaker 2:It will make people comfortable to work with you, knowing that you're in that kind of laid back, relaxed environment and there's no stuffiness and it's just. You know you're free to just kind of be be you and, yeah, do what you need to do.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah I mean, I didn't look at it that way in the beginning. In the beginning I was like, oh, should I be embarrassed by this? Yeah, no the way that I dressed and everything was, like you know, always very like. I mean not that this is unprofessional, it's a sweater, but, like you know, it would be like a nice blouse or all the things that, like you, feel you have to do in our profession, in these, like professional realms.
Speaker 3:And they were all the things that I really never was, and I just didn't like pretending that's who I was anymore. And it wasn't until I finally was like you know what it is, what it is. I feel like they either like me for who I am.
Speaker 3:It doesn't change the intelligence behind the face or the outfit or the background you know, and just because I'm not sitting here in judgment and being all like, oh, I know more than you and oh my gosh, your books are a nightmare. You know like that's a lot of what you get in our industry Super like crazy people.
Speaker 1:That's so funny.
Speaker 2:Well, you're actually bringing in like a new generation.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's so funny.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I'm bringing in like a new generation. I feel like yeah.
Speaker 3:And I do network with a bunch of bookkeepers that are like me, right. Like you know I love that too, like, and I think that's another reason why, like you know, on social media there's no gatekeeping. I just don't feel like gatekeeping is stupid anyway. But you know, I mean especially in like what we're doing, and you know, I mean it's just so silly, but a lot of our you know the bookkeepers that we network with is because I may not be the best fit for this client Right.
Speaker 3:I want to be able to refer them. I still feel like that's being helpful you know Absolutely. Um, and then we help each other. Like, you know you, you run into a problem and you're like, uh, how are you dealing with this with your employees? Or how are you dealing with this with software? Like, what are you using? I'm sick of this thing. You know, like, right, you know, usually the community is pretty helpful, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's great. I love that.
Speaker 1:So what are you reading, perusing, scrolling to stay up to date on all the bookkeeping things, because now I'm intrigued and I'm on all the bookkeeping things because now I'm intrigued and I'm ready to join bookkeeping TikTok. I know, does that exist yet?
Speaker 2:Yeah is there a bookkeeping?
Speaker 3:TikTok, or is there everything else on TikTok? There is. It's not all fun, I go there. I mean, you definitely need your martini if you're going to go there. But there is, yes, because a lot of times I'm always thinking like social media wise, like you know, try to get inspiration of all different people and different industries and stuff, and so occasionally I'll go into, like the bookkeeping TikTok and I think, yeah, nah, never mind. A lot of times it's like serious, like oh, if you, you know, don't do this and don't do that, or you know, don't forget to do this or this filing deadline, and that's helpful.
Speaker 3:It's not that it isn't sure but I don't think. I think it has to be seasoned with other fun things or what's the point on social media like yeah I don't think if you're taking your tax advice on social media, you're really making good decisions in life, okay, so?
Speaker 2:now, have you ever done or considered doing a fun TikTok to show that it can be a little bit on the fun side?
Speaker 3:So you know what's funny is? I've held off on TikTok because I do Instagram and Facebook.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:And Instagram has the meals and stuff, right. So we do video over there and I've always thought, okay, well, I could do TikTok, I could jump over there. But I was also like thinking you know, is TikTok staying, is it going away like I hope?
Speaker 3:it's going away, I'll be right here what do I do with all my free time if I can't scroll on that for three hours a night? I don't know what I'm gonna do. Yeah, um, but anyways, yeah. So I mean, could I do have plenty of video content that I could throw over there? We do lots of stupid things, so yeah so that's like us.
Speaker 2:We don't. We have TikTok, but we don't necessarily really use it a lot. It's just. I think we probably what get three or four videos Like. It's not like. Our thing is Instagram and the reels Like we love Instagram. We've gained a lot from Instagram, so when we do anything, it's typically through Instagram. I love it. I love it better than any other social media. I really do.
Speaker 3:I feel like, especially for female businesses. I think there's something about Instagram that really is attractive to females is there's visuals, right? So I think there's a lot of that on Instagram and I get the most traction there too. So it's hard to like. Think about building your you know base and another social media platform right. Yeah, I don't know if I want to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we, we, we're good.
Speaker 3:We don't use.
Speaker 2:Facebook and we don't use really TikTok. I mean, we have the accounts, we just don't. Instagrams are like the cargo ship, for sure.
Speaker 3:Basically just because of the groups, right. So in our community we're like part of different groups and then we work with them? Are you guys connected to, like the Boston Businesswoman? No, so we do a lot with them, are you guys?
Speaker 1:connected to like the Boston business woman no no, so I do a lot with them.
Speaker 3:Um, they've been like great like networking group of and it's all women obviously, oh we should look into it. It's really fun. It's a group now of like 46,000 women in any area. And it's just a Facebook group, but they do have like different meetings. This isn't meant to be a marketing plug for them, but no, it's just a fun community, because if you're looking for something like we're, doing our company retreat.
Speaker 3:we do a company retreat every year. Again, one of those things were like never, ever did we do anything fun like that and I always just thought, hey, how can we go have a fun time and make? It a right company retreat, but when you're looking for like, oh, I want a caterer or I want to whatever you put it in this group it's like 46,000 people. Somebody's going to come back and be like hey, I know this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that you do the company retreats. I think team building is super important. Yes, you know, with the group, the group you work with, and I think everybody in every company should do it. I know they don't, but I think it's so, so important.
Speaker 3:It really, really is firm right, so we're not seeing each other every day. We have our meetings, their Zoom meetings. You know we'll try to get together, you know quarterly or semi-annually, and do like a work together day. But generally speaking, you know I have somebody in Canada, I have, you know, somebody in Florida people in. Ireland right, so they're not all just easily. Let me drive and go see them kind of people.
Speaker 3:So, it was important to me to kind of get everybody together in a casual. It's not really work. We have a little all hands meeting where we're going to talk game plan for the year or what our goals are and whatnot, but we don't really talk too much business. It's really more about like getting to know each other, hanging out, having drinkies, doing a fun party yeah.
Speaker 1:So I love that yeah that's exciting.
Speaker 2:Smart, yeah, smart way to keep the people happy and to keep them working, and for you and with you, you know, yeah and it's fun like I love doing it, you know, and I love that you do it.
Speaker 1:So being virtual, is that 100%? You ever travel to see clients. How does that work out in this grand scheme of things?
Speaker 3:So all of our bookkeeping is strictly virtual. I do have one client that I do CFO services for and I'll go to their like board of directors meetings quarterly, but generally speaking, everything can be done virtually.
Speaker 1:That's only because they requested me to come, and you know I mean they're my biggest clients, so I guess I'll go.
Speaker 3:So, but otherwise it's virtual right. We've worked out systems as the key to any business and like success is like having good systems in place good software. We are really, really particular about all of our security. So, like we've featured, any software that we use meets accounting, standard, compliance and um, we have cyber security and our systems and things you know, like all the things to make sure that we could be successful virtually.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 3:Because that was another thing that I was told at my old firm there's no way you could have a virtual firm. There's no way that would ever work out. Also there's no way you could go on social media.
Speaker 2:Joke's on you. That's awesome, that is so, so cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like I've learned so much in such a short span of time.
Speaker 2:So do you have any big plans for the new year with your business?
Speaker 3:The new year. Yes, 2025 is meant to be sort of refinement. We have been growth mode for three years, I think. First year we grew, from year one to year two, 150% or something stupid. It's just. It's been so much it's like drinking from a fire hose that I've, you know, really tried to like think through what's our long-term goal. You know, in this business, you could like really let it devour you and your life.
Speaker 3:And I will say that part of the reason I left that other firm was that that's not what I was looking for. I don't need to be a millionaire if I can have a lifestyle that makes me feel good on a daily basis and not overwhelmed and not stressed out and take a vacation when you need one kind of thing.
Speaker 3:So you know, the goal in 25 is to be just strategic about who we're bringing on and who we hire, prepare a little bit ahead, Like we did that at the end of 24. I hired again to just kind of prepare myself so I wouldn't be overwhelmed in 2025. Like, this summer was chaos, Absolutely chaos, but yeah, so the goal is like kind of like I imagine myself coasting a bit right, Like we'll just ride this wave for a minute. Okay, you know, not be too crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it sounds like you deserve it and business has been booming, so it sounds like the perfect time to coast. Sure, yeah, yeah, although again, if you boom kudos to you, that's also a good thing. Yeah, everybody says it's a good problem to have and I'm like that's the problem.
Speaker 3:Okay, you know, I mean, we'll just hang out more with my dog yeah, yeah, I mean, who wouldn't want to?
Speaker 1:super cute, yeah, do you guys have pets? She does. I have a dog. Nice, yeah, she's actually snoring in the corner. I'm surprised no one said anything. Yeah, she's a big one, so she snores quite loudly.
Speaker 3:So does mine it's hilarious Like how do I get a? Husband and a dog like this Airplugs I know every night, every night.
Speaker 2:I've looked into many different kinds. What are the most effective? World effective, if you want any recommendations. I have a friend that wears them and she recommended a type to me and they're amazing. And I tried like four different ones and I couldn't figure it out. And then she goes what are you doing? You're not even using the right ones. I said, oh my God, she sent me this Lamazon link. I bought them. They pop right in and block everything. They're perfect, Okay.
Speaker 3:Don't get cheap. I need those, alright.
Speaker 2:They're awesome yeah.
Speaker 1:I love it, those earplugs. They're just a gift that keeps on giving. That's it.
Speaker 3:I've told my husband, if we don't figure this out, we're doing like the. You know, separate rooms. Look, I still love you, it's fine Okay. I just don't want to be around this, okay.
Speaker 2:No, awful, I bet, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:So funny. Well thank you again for joining us us. Please let everyone know where they can find you on facebook, on instagram, not on tiktok yet but where can they find you?
Speaker 3:yep, um. So the um instagram is honeycomb virtual and the facebook is Honeycomb Bookkeeping. And I mean, go check out my website. That's easy too, honeycomb Virtual, and there's all the links to social in there too.
Speaker 1:Awesome, perfect, and we'll be sure to link them in this episode, but thank you so much again for joining us. It's been such a pleasure, so much fun, so many laughs. Happy New Year, ladies, happy.
Speaker 2:New Year, nice to meet you. So, much fun, so many laughs, happy New.
Speaker 3:Year ladies. Happy New Year. Nice to meet you, Enjoy.
Speaker 2:Enjoy, thank you.
Speaker 3:Be, amazing.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yes, for sure, take care.
Speaker 3:Take care, bye, bye-bye.
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